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Join us here in The Bistro for a discussion on the entire Gamache series. Feel free to ask or answer any questions about any of the books or the series as a whole.

Discussion on “The Bistro”

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Rereading one of the betrayal comments I thought this…..

Fleming is watching Cohen talking to his friend who is a guard. It was that friend Adam had given the papers for Fleming’s release to as he was less likely to question them. In that sense Adam was taking advantage of the friendship if it all went wrong and Fleming escaped, then Adam would have betrayed that friendship.
I am sure Fleming has a good nose for potential betrayals as he has committed more than a few.perhaps this section is seeing the world from Fleming’s perspective to give us a glimpse of how he views human interactions.

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I don’t remember the section on betrayal, but when I think about that as a general thing surrounding Fleming and his cohorts, I think of the betrayal of Gerald Bull. By that, I mean, that his murder was the result of a betrayal of one or more of the people he’d been working with. It’s fuzzy with me now, and I’ll have to re-read (I’ll be rereading the full book next week, as I know I read it too quickly the first time). Even though I read so slowly, I just didn’t get a lot of these nuances the first time through.

I needed to pull myself away with something else, though, and have rediscovered a favorite author – Anne Perry, who does Victorian era crime stories. She hooked me with the first of her Mr. Monk series because the main character wakes up in the hospital with no memory at all. Her description of the terror he experiences, which eventually subsides to a general foreboding, is really masterful. As the series goes on, Monk rebuilds his life, but never regains his memory, which makes him a different kind of character. What he discovers about his former self, however, fills him with self-loathing, as he realizes what a nasty person he was. In general, I love how he handles it all, and becomes a much gentler, noble person. He goes forward with his career as a police officer, and later as a private detective. Another major character is a woman who was a nurse with Florence Nightingale in the Crimea, and this all seems to be very well researched. The series continued for quite a few more books than I knew existed, so I’ve been reading those that are new to me, and enjoying it quite a bit. Since it’s all so long ago, it doesn’t have the overpowering feeling of evil that TNOTB has for me. Fleming scared me quite a bit, hahaha.

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I reread those sections Amy and I couldn’t make complete sense of them either. Was the betrayal Fleming suspected to do with himself or Adam Cohen. Who was possibly betraying whom? I don’t know. Or was he referencing the future mistake of Adam saying Gamache’s name? It isn’t written that way but that is all I can think of today.
I can’t believe we have seen the back of Fleming though.

I too was a little apprehensive about Gamache sending Adam Cohen, hoping nothing bad would happen! It was a tense couple of minutes reading thru it; one thing I did pick up on, which was mentioned twice in Flemming’s thoughts, was a reference to a betrayal. I’ m not sure if it happened or was going to , or if it alludes to something in a future Louise book. Anyone else have any ideas? Did it have something to do with the phones?

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When Gamache sent Adam Cohen to get John Fleming, I decided that it was Gamache’s impossible decision, the sacrifing of one or a few to save the many. I was willing to accept just Adam going for that reason and suspend disbelief about procedure. I also felt that Adam knew the risk he was taking and was willing to accept his role, wherever it might lead. And it did lead to something horrible for Adam; he said Gamache’s name and will have to live with that knowledge and guilt as the story progresses.

I put up an invitation on Louise’s FB page, but of course, it goes to the sideline, not the main newsfeed, so I’m not sure anyone much saw it except maybe Louise herself. Of course, I also don’t even know if Louise does the posting on her FB page, or if someone takes her daily posts from her and posts them. (I know she writes them herself – they’re too full of details that only she would be allowed to decide to post such personal things.)

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I thought it was too easy, too – and I thought also that, knowing how little security it would result in, that it was kind of cavalier of Gamache to send Adam. Talk about a dangerous assignment! I do think it would be harder for someone to walk in and get a prisoner out than that, but Canada is a smaller, (at least in population – in Geographical size, it’s huge) less savvy country in lots of ways, so it might just be closer to reality than we might want to think. In the end, that didn’t bother me as much as Gamache just putting someone in that kind of danger. But – I know that the danger is something police officers face every day and have, hopefully, trained and prepared for.

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Anna, I was also surprised by the lack of security when moving Fleming. I expected something like the scenes I have seen on TV. Armored Vans, police in Riot gear, snipers, SWAT teams, helicopters and yes maybe some military or National Guard on hand. Don’t know if Canada has Guard. But all the steps possible to prevent an escape. I felt sure he was going to escape because of the lax security. Really, I was shocked when he didn’t escape.

When reading some of the lighter, cozy mysteries, I don’t mind the strange inconsistencies. In fact I find them humorous, and read on unless it seems so contrived and just the work of a lazy or poor writer and that ends reading that author. I do think readers should not be assumed to be stupid and accepting of anything.

I hasten to add that we all know that LP is a brilliant author who certainly does her research and cares for her readers. I thought “She has her reasons”. Then I thought that maybe there was no time for all out security. Also, so many agencies would have been involved.

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When Adam went to get Fleming the one thing that struck me is how easy that was. One hopes that IRL, in real life, that removing a person like Fleming from a secure environment like that would involve more than one man in a car. I have visits of manacles and prison vans. For Fleming I would want police outriders and snipers, maybe a local army battalion. Anything to keep him away from my child. But seriously, it seemed a bit too easy. It was on thing that jarred me, albeit briefly. I reminded myself that this was important for the plot and moved on.

So my question is, how much are you as a reader, prepared to suspend reality in order to enjoy a good story? Does it vary between authors and texts? If it is otherwise brilliant do you shrug and move on or is it even more glaring? Depending on your background, you probably come across all kinds of inaccuracies in areas where you have intimate knowledge. Does it hurt your enjoyment?

As a writer and a reader I find such things interesting but also important. When I am writing about an area that is not one I am very familiar with I think it is easier to sketch in broad terms but sometimes detail is needed.

Yes – we need to figure out how to invite more people over here – Perhaps Louise’s publishers can put a bug in her ear about putting something on the FB page? Or in her next newsletter? What do you say, Paul?

I am disappointed that more of the participants in the re-read and the discussion of TLWH last year have not dropped in to comment on TNOTB. We all have different insights and opinions and that makes interesting discussions. We are all Three Piners together.

Barbara….YAY YAY YAY. Can you hear me cheering from over there. I love your bravery. It just isn’t easy to do anything new but every time you do it makes it easier to try something else. We will have you in Word before you know it!

Thank you for answering the call Millie. I know you have your hands full at the moment sorting out the trip with your mum and it is exhausting. You put aside your fatigue and came up with a solution and I am grateful we have you to answer the call. I know that you are often answering such calls and you are ever gracious about it. If you will be smart and talented then of course you will be in demand 🙂

Yes I want to see AA taken down a peg or seventy but I also know that building someone up is much much harder than taking them down. I suspect Gamache is not above the latter but prefers the former where possible.

Julie, you are a total gem and receiving the map made my day. It was a tough couple of days over here so you can imagine how much brighter you made my world, not just because I had a map but because you thought to send it. That deserves a big Three Pines bag of harvest produce and a cafe au lat in the Bistro for you!!

I am sooo craving cooked apples now. I make a mean crumble. If there are any in the kitchen then they are headed for the pot. Particularly as the world has gone cold and dark and rainy this afternoon. Mmmmm.

Sending happy thoughts and hugs to you all!

Julie, I was at work and now with mum but I had to tell you quickly that the map arrived. Thank you so very much. I will thank you properly later when I get home.

Millie,What wonderful news about you and your Mother. I remember you mentioned helping her get book of poetry published. She is fortunate to have a daughter who can help her with such a thrilling project. I love to hear of Mothers and Daughters doing things together especially when the daughters are adult too and can help the mothers grow as they once helped the daughters.

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I, too, have wondered if it would be better for Gamache to work within or outside the Surete. I would like to see the next book take him and Reine-Marie out of the country where she can put her knowledge and expertise to work helping him. They would return to Canada for the baby’s arrival.Then he could be a consultant to various Canadian and international agencies while living in Three Pines. Well, there we are… two books.

All the talk about apples was too funny. I don’t eat much fruit but all the apple talk made me crave an apple dumpling with lots of cinnamon and a little Rum Raisin Ice Cream. But I didn’t think of the apple in the good and evil sense. Went right over my head. And me a former Sunday school teacher or as is said now, Bible Study teacher. Tsk, Tsk.

I was reminded of the time my brother-in-law had an even larger than usual bumper crop of Zucchini. His wife took bags to work and so did he. They even took a box to church with a sign “PLEASE, Take Some”. After that, I suggested he call the Food Bank and offer them. They accepted them .

I came home from work once and found a neighbor had left a bag in the carport !

Can’t wait for 8 PM tonight. Big Bang Theory’s new season.The second season of Vicious started a few weeks ago and a new season of Miss Fisher last week.

Barbara – we were thrilled to watch this season’s first episode of Big Bang, too.
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Seemed like we were waiting so long… I think we’re going to see lots of Sheldon’s shenanigans as he tries to woo Amy back (while simultaneously punishing her for breaking up with him)… Penny and Leonard break my heart sometimes… I know Hollywood writers can’t let love go smoothly for people, but this seems overmuch to me.

‘Miss’ Barbara, my pleasure and glad it worked! ‘Bless your heart!”
Still busy so I’ll catch y’all later.

How’s that for southern? lol…

Loved that whole last exchange! I was trying to figure out how to show copying and pasting, but never thought about the “select all” or the email part. One of the funny things, Barbara, is that there are at least 3 ways to do everything, it seems to me, and not one of them makes any sense, hahaha. I think we all have a love/hate relationship with our computers, because they let us do so much, but they seem to have it written into their contracts that they have to frustrate us first!

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I hadn’t thought of AA coming back – you guys are so much more forgiving than I am, I think. I didn’t see any redeeming qualities in him. He reminded me more of Lemieux in The Cruelest Month. Someone past being able to be redeemed. But that’s the kind of thing I should be more tolerant about – thinking it’s too late for someone to redeem themselves, when others still see potential.

It worked. Millie, I can’t believe it. Thank you, Thank You.
I started my day with a full body laugh when reading your reaction to my post. When I start laughing wildly Sam. too. has learned to say “Bistro?”.

Anna, I think I heard you call Millie. Thanks for the shout out.

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