Gamache Series Open Discussion

Join us here in The Bistro for a discussion on the entire Gamache series. Feel free to ask or answer any questions about any of the books or the series as a whole.

Paul Hochman

Discussion on “Gamache Series Open Discussion

  1. Paul Hochman says:

    Louise has posted another quote from NATURE OF THE BEAST:


  2. Check LP’s facebook page. Another quote from TNOTB. Wasn’t there something about seeing or feeling evil coming in one of the other books? Or it may have been another author.

    • LOL I was on the previous page and did not see Paul’s post until this page popped up to show my post. Not trying to still your thunder, Paul. But I did wonder why I didn’t see a post from you.

      • not trying to steal your thunder. I must learn to type.LOL

      • Paul Hochman says:

        Ha! No worries, Barbara!

        • Julie says:

          This quote reminds me so much of The Brutal Telling again – the Mountain King – the sense of evil stealing down the mountain, and the vegetation coming down the mountain as it is “awoken” by the boy… And of course, all the fall foliage on the cover of TBT… I can’t help but feel that there is so much here that is somewhat parallel.

          Yesterday, I was reading about the chief coming home from Ruth’s party to find Beauvoir fast asleep with a stuffed lion. Later, after they talk for a bit, Gamache calls Annie, while Beauvoir climbs the stairs carrying the lion and singing “an old Weaver’s tune” under his breath. (that is the tape that put Annie to sleep as a baby – so amazing these little connections that are practically screaming at me now, but went all but unnoticed in the first two reads…

  3. Cathryne Spencer says:

    It was such a pleasure, such a good surprise, to find the next quote from TNTB on my iPad screen this morning! I’ve been thinking about it all day as I’ve gone here and there to complete errands.
    “The fall was, of course, inevitable. He could see it coming.” It seems significant that Louise said “The fall” instead of just “Fall …” Is she talking in biblical terms as well as seasonal?

    Julie, the dinner at Ruth’s house. It was, indeed, pretty crazy. I am now rereading, just starting, The Beautiful Mystery. As Annie and Jean Guy laughed about Armand’s hostess gift to Reine Marie’s mother, a bathroom mat, on his first visit to her home, I thought of Ruth’s inappropriate dinner offerings and behavior. Were they each just so out of their depth that they behaved completely out of character? I have a couple of times in my life said to my husband of 49 years, “My only explanation for that decision/behavior seems to be insanity.” Luckily I can’t remember what those occasions were now!

    • Anna says:

      I keep hearing The Fall, not Fall..ominous. Falling from Grace perhaps.

      • Julie says:

        Cathryne and Anna – that’s a very good point. I’m sure Louise meant “The Fall”, now that I see it again… And yes, Cathryne, I’m sure we’ve all done some very weird things – including Ruth’s behavior when she was afraid of the art teacher (whose name escapes me now) in TLWH. So, I guess we’ll just chalk it up to that. I don’t think I’m going to be able to wring any more meaning out of it, hahaha.

  4. Cathryne Spencer says:

    Oh, Julie, I wouldn’t completely forget the dinner party or Ruth at Massey’s studio, a good connection! Remembering her past behaviors, circumstances (as we know them), and her poetry makes it even more exciting to look forward to August and what we might learn next about Ruth and how it may or may not relate back to what we’ve observed already, especially things that confused us.

    I’d forgotten the suet covered wth seeds! Rosa was just as important as everyone else. That, in itself, takes on much more meaning now that we know Rosa’s importance in the books that came after.

  5. Cathryne Spencer says:

    I think Ruth was especially worried at the time of her dinner party about:

    Olivier, a loved friend, because she knows and says that he is weak, greedy, and will habitually lie to protect himself. She says the murderer is setting Olivier up and rather successfully.

    Jean Guy, who she recognizes as a kindred soul, deeply troubled and fragile. She leaves lines of her poem around as she tries to help him. She can’t address him face to face because he deliberately drives her away, terrorizing her with her own poetry!

    Rosa, her beloved child/friend/pet, because winter is coming and Rosa should go. Is it too silly to think of Ruth learning to love herself and take care of herself by doing that for Rosa? It almost seems to me that Rosa is partly Ruth too.

    Now that I think about Ruth and her gentle, nurturing side, especially in this book, I think of Ruth and the asshole saint as being similar in MANY ways. Visiting Ruth at home, “in her natural habitate” is not much different than visiting the saint in the hermit’s cabin.

    See what you started, Julie?

  6. Anna says:

    One thing I am noticing is the contrasting descriptions of the characters in Brutal Telling. Olivier is described as greedy, weak, a liar. He is also kind hearted, thoughtful, the first to bring soup or visit someone in hospital, to read to the weak and tired. And Ruth shows both her tenderness and irascibility.

    We love the characters because they are like us; good and weak, kind and sharp, doing things only explicable by insanity (you are definitely not alone there Cathryne). Louise writes so we can identify with and love characters with imperfections and flaws but who are capable of great love and kindness. People who know jealousy and greed and anger but we can embrace it because it isn’t everything they are. Maybe we can embrace ourselves better because of this.

  7. Cathryne Spencer says:

    Anna, you have put it all together so well. One thing I love about the reread site and the Bistro is how everyone helps me better understand why I love Louise’s books so much and why I continue to get so much pleasure and insight from them over time. I also feel that I’ve become much more able to analyze what I love about other authors and why some just don’t measure up. For many reasons, Louise’s books remain my favorites.

    Someone I also love is Kate Atkinson. Has anyone else read and admired her mysteries? I’m thinking I will read her novel before the most recent soon, these not mysteries. I’ve forgotten the name and I’m afraid to look and possibly lose my post. Something about God in the title, God in Ruins?

    • Anna says:

      I haven’t read Kate Atkinson. I will take a look but enjoying The Brutal Telling right now. Have you noticed it is also set in Autumn…the comment about it marching down the hill. Do you think Louise is making a deliberate allusion to her earlier work or was it just time for the next change of season?

      • Jan says:

        Just an aside… but yet somehow related to your post, Anna. Have you noticed that the UK edition of NOTB front cover presents a rather foggy, winter-like picture? (I say this because there appear to be no leaves on the trees.) I’ve never been to England but do recall much emphasis on fog and gloom there year-round in literature by British authors. But why the contrast in book covers for the same story? Do take care Anna. I have “been there” with some of the family issues confronting you and know it can be immensely stressful. Thoughtful blessings sent your way each and every day.

        • Anna says:

          Thank you Jan. I appreciate every comment and every comforting thought. I always feel safe and nurtured here in the Bistro, a calm spot in a tumultuous world.

          With regard to the covers…..the experience of autumn may vary a little depending on whether there are evergreens as well as deciduous trees around and how fast the leaves fall? Or it could be that covers with a wintery look say mystery in England? They do to me I think. There is a sense of desolation…..

          Funny Julie….I read your comment and thought Into The Woods which my brother went to on the weekend, a high school production of the musical, and it’s one of Millie’s favourites. Lots of metaphor there!

          • Jan says:

            Thank you so much Anna. I truly have been identifying with your struggles but am one who does not just jump in readily to group sharing with people who already have established quite a wonderful history of closeness and support.

            Guess I am really stuck about the trees on the UK book cover. They do appear to be mostly deciduous ones which have shed their leaves, so it seems to me that the folks in UK
            might be getting an entirely different mind-set when reading the teaser about autumn colors and sly references to the fall season as well as “falling” in a metaphysical sense when they see a wintery scene on their front book covers. Misdirection ? I wonder…..
            Guess we’ll have to find out in August. I do tend to over-think sometimes.

      • Julie says:

        I thought that, too, Anna, and I think it’s deliberate – it seems so similar! I’m also noticing all the warnings – “NEVER go into the woods alone”… over and over… This is different from my childhood, though we didn’t have large woods nearby. If you got lost, even a small child would only have to walk for 20 minutes in any direction to come out… and I don’t remember ever getting lost in the woods we played in.

  8. Anna says:

    Jan, everyone is welcome here and we all love every contribution. I’m sorry if it ever seems hard to join in just because some of us are chatty souls! It’s a very open circle.

    I am sorry to hear than you are having struggles of your own. I am sending peace and comforting thoughts in your direction. You don’t have to say anything but if you ever want to there are kind listening ears here. Otherwise, make yourself comfy with the beverage of your choice and soak up the warmth. I find it makes it easier to face the day!

    The fact that I felt comfortable sharing is simply down to the amazing folk who potter here in the Bistro. I would never have imagined talking about myself either but there it is…I have. So like Three Pines this space….a little world you stumble upon and you find a hidden gem of comfort and kindness.

    • Barbara H. Johnson says:

      Anna, well said.

    • Kim B says:

      I’ve been checking out the reviews for TNOT on Goodreads. After getting over my envy of those who were favoured with advance copies, I was happy to see the reviews are (as usual) glowing. I can’t wait to hold a copy in my hands and jump back into Three Pines. …. I can smell the loam…and the cafe au lait and croissants. Heaven.

      • Anna says:

        You paint a great picture Kim. Glad to hear the reviews are good. We are but weeks away from our next addictive hit! Does anyone have a plan for approaching the book…..a special chair to read in, a favourite beverage at hand….or does it not matter, just leap in as soon as it arrives.

    • Jan says:

      Much gratitude for this lovely extra nudge, Anna. I think the Bistro is just my cup of tea! A truly remarkable site of comfort, inspiration, kindness and acceptance.

      • Anna says:

        I’m all for a cup of tea Jan, in fact I have one now thank goodness. It’s another chilly morning!

  9. Barbara H. Johnson says:

    Jan, please speak about whatever, whenever as your need or your interests lead you. It was very hard for me to share for an while. Everyone was so helpful and caring. The Bistro became a ploace where I go often. Sometimes just to see what is new and sometimes to reread posts. I even go back to the rereads to read some comments again. People who know me best are surprised (to put it mildly) when I attempt to tell them about our group. We love LP’s books and enjoy discussing them with like-minded readers. We do not always agree on a point but I have learned to read more closely. Some of the ideas and purposes for plot lines would never have occurred to me. I love “getting into” the plot.
    We are having a beautiful Memorial Day. Not too hot. The sun is beautiful and there is a slight, cool breeze. The Flags look so beautiful as they wave in the air.

    • Anna says:

      I am glad you have good weather Barbara. I have been watching Texas and Oklahoma. my thoughts go to anyone experiencing the scary weather.

      • Are there floods, storms, tornados or hurricanes in Australia ? All I remember right now are the fires. The floods in Texas and OK appear to be very bad. Hope the waters recede tonight.

        • Anna says:

          We get awful storms and floods and cyclones in different seasons. Just at the moment things are quite settled. We lost a number of people in storms and floods a few weeks ago. Today is sunny but cold. Lots of frost.

  10. I forgot to post that I sent in our ideas on Intergenerational living in Nursing Homes. I sent the information along with ideas and suggestions we had spoken about. Maybe if nothing else, the idea will be implemented as new Nursing Homes are built. GRU, Medical School will be more receptive of ideas, I hope, with the change coming. Current Head leaving. I explained what this group is and how we shared info. I’ll be sure to let all know if I hear anything. I don’t expect to until I read it in the paper or see it on the News. I feel, though, that we have planted a seed for change.

    • Anna says:

      Well done Barbara. You never know how a planted seed will grow. I shouldn’t expect a rapid change but maybe someone, somewhere will make a small change as a result. All progress is progress.

  11. Anna says:

    Does anyone know how many years have passed in the world of Three Pines since Still Life?

  12. Amy says:

    That’s an interesting question, Anna! My curiosity was piqued, so I went back to A Fatal Grace, and in Chapter 10 it has Clara meeting Gamache in her home. States “she hadn’t seen him for more than a year, since Jane’s murder.” The rest of the books seem to follow in season; with AFG at Christmas time, then TCM at Easter, ARAM in summer, TBT in fall, BYD ending up in winter again; is that 1 year? then ATOTL in spring, TBM in fall, HTLGI in winter; year 2? TLWH in summer . S if we add the year between Jane’s murder and AFG, is that only 3 years that have passed in Three Pines world? Is it like dog years?!

    • Anna says:

      Wow Amy, well done. I haven’t had the time to go over everything. I have assumed season follows season and there can’t have been too much time passing. Good clue from AFG!

      Maybe we need a companion book to the novels!

  13. Millie says:

    Amy, your comment of, “Is it like dog years,” really made me laugh. The last few weeks have felt like ‘dog years’ to me. Does anyone else feel like either nothing significant is happening or a complete 180 turn and there are so many things going on at once you can hardly catch your breath? Well, other than our dear Anna, who is certainly in the middle of a ‘whirlwind’ phase… Gentle, warm thoughts to all who may be in one of the whirlwinds, including Jan…

    I’ve been relistening to the books from SL as I plod along and I’m almost to the end of Bury Your Dead. I think I now understand why so many have said it’s your favorite. I had only read it once and found the part of the story about Agent Morin so painful, I didn’t fully appreciate the complexity of the story as a whole.

    Several of the Three Piners mentioned feeling a certain discomfort reading TLWH because of not liking confrontation. I’ve come to realize I shy away from reading books with too much physical or emotional pain. I will read them once in their entirety, but then put bookmarks to skip past the really painful (for me at least) parts. Yet, one can’t really do that with this book.

    I’m glad I didn’t skip this one and jump to the next – I would have missed so much. And I have all who made speculations about NOTB and insightful comments about other books in the series to thank. As I read the posts each triggered a thought but I could either attend to ‘stuff’ or gab away here. It wasn’t an easy choice! ;-)
    But I did want to pop in and say hello, I’m OK, and I’m more grateful for the Bistro every day.

    • Glad to hear from you. You’ve been missed. Those of you who are rereading/listening again are ahead of me. I didn’t want to reread again at this time so I’ve been rereading the comments from the reread. That ” too many books, too little time ” mentality, again.
      When NOTB comes out, maybe those who posted regularly during the reread and when TLWH came out will do so again.
      Good reading to all.

      • Millie says:

        Thanks, Barbara. I know what you mean. Unfortunately, for me, I didn’t participate in the ‘re-reads’ until the the actual reading of TLWH.

  14. LP’s June newsletter is beautiful and heartbreaking. She gives so much to us. After a meltdown of my own last night, her mentioning the Serenity Prayer was just what I needed to face today. I have often prayed it in the past but needed the reminder that now is another time I need to truly let it be a part of my life.
    Peace and good thoughts to all.

    • Kim B says:

      Barbara, beautiful and heartbreaking sums it up perfectly. The photos through the window, the lilacs, the pond and the bench becoming memories. So sad. Yet, there is gratitude for what was, acceptance of what is and hope along with trepidation for the future. And always love.

  15. Cathryne Spencer says:

    “And there is calm that comes with simplicity.” Perfect.
    Thank you, Barbara, for pointing out the arrival of the June newsletter. Mine always gets sent to Junk and I have to retrieve it. It was filled with grace and wisdom and heartfelt honesty and I was grateful to read it.

    Barbara, I hope things are better for you today. Don’t forget the warm fire at the Bistro. I spent last Friday night sleeping on the floor on a soft foam mattress in my mom’s living room, her first night home from an emergency hospital stay. When I went to get her pres. at the drugstore, I said, “Do you have gummy bears?” The darling girl at the register said, “Oh yes, I know exactly where they are. I love gummy bears!” After lights out, I lay in the quiet dark and slowly savored gummy bears, one at a time. I haven’t had one for decades, but I knew I needed the Bistro and friends and little sweet bears. When I stood up on my knees, I could look out the window and see the lights of the city and the lights of the long bridge across the bay, beautiful. Chaos retreated. I send my best thoughts to you for your own calm!

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